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  OT - Pork was unclean... NT Now it's not?

  by pleaseresearch in

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  this always baffled me.

  either pork is unclean and wrong to eat forever, or it was a load of bull to begin with..

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  I'm not agreeing with this guy but I found his views fascinating. Very close to Seventh Day Adventists. Frankly, he looks like Steve Rogers before they slipped him that super soldier serum. A 12 ounce rare New York strip with some french fries 🍟 wouldn't hurt him too much.

  https://youtube.com/watch?v=GBX46GVZEyY
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  Where Does It Say JWs Can't Read Pubs By Other Churches?

  by Cold Steel in

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  can jws read publications by other churches?

  or by atheists?

  i've always heard these are apostate materials.

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  Cofty » Please fuck off. We have all had more than enough of ridiculous cults.

  Ummmm...no.

  I'll lay off religion if you leave off your stupid evolution pontifications.

  And I'm unimpressed with your feeble mastery of Google Search.

  https://youtube.com/?#/watch?v=YL-NXToiksQ

  https://youtube.com/?#/watch?v=V38jsyMnyIs

  https://youtube.com/watch?v=MRU6-vAQ4LA

  
  

  
  
  
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  If Abraham had gone to Kingdom of Heaven, why not John the Baptist?

  by anointed1 in

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  jesus rated john the baptist as the greatest “among those born of women” (luke 7:28) hence after his death he should naturally go to heaven—especially so lesser ones like enoch, abraham are already in the kingdom of heaven.

  (hebrews 11: 5, 6; 13-16).

  in view of the direct statement of jesus: “i say to you that many will come from the east and the west to share the banquet with abraham, isaac, and jacob in the kingdom of heaven” (mathew 8:11), people like abraham are definitely in heaven.

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  According to the WTBTS, John died before Jesus was crucified and resurrected; thus, he belonged to the class of prophets who came before Jesus and who were heirs of the Paradise Earth great crowd. Those who were alive at Jesus' resurrection and were saved became Jehovah's faithful heavenly heirs.

  Many Christians believe that because Jesus took upon himself the sins of the world that he had, therefore, the least claim upon the Kingdom of God. Yet because of his sinless nature, he was also the greatest. Thus it was that Jesus was speaking of himself.
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  Where Does It Say JWs Can't Read Pubs By Other Churches?

  by Cold Steel in

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  can jws read publications by other churches?

  or by atheists?

  i've always heard these are apostate materials.

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  Heaven » My Father looked very suspiciously at my Hobby Farms Home magazine....

  As he should have, you demonic apostate!

  You need inspirational works like Watchtower, Awake and Guns & Ammo.

  
  

  
  
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  Where Does It Say JWs Can't Read Pubs By Other Churches?

  by Cold Steel in

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  can jws read publications by other churches?

  or by atheists?

  i've always heard these are apostate materials.

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  Vidiot » ...he said, without a trace of irony.

  Yes, and with good reason. The evidence of the first century church is in its witnesses. People saw Jesus' miracles such as his healing of the sick and raising the dead. Peter, James and John witnessed the events on the mount of transfiguration, setting Moses and Elijah; and the scriptures themselves say that in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

  The same is true of the latter-day saints. Many people witnessed the modern day miracles such as the healing of the sick and the raising of the dead, just as in ancient times. We also have witnesses of the Book of Mormon and the ministry of angels and many of our early apostles had visions. Many witnessed the landing of the quail and the appearance of honeydew, which fed the early latter-day saints, as well as the miracle of the seagulls in Utah. And these accounts are in their journals.

  But the JWs have no such claims. No angelic visitations, no revelations, no prophecies, nor miracles and, of course, no witnesses. How could they then claim the keys of authority given to Peter?

  Had Charles T. Russell seen visions, entertained angels, been given given authority by those with authority and in the presence of witnesses, they would have a far greater case. But none of these exist. So how could they know of the invisible return of Jesus or his inspection of the churches of Christendom in 1918-19?

  That's my point.

  
  
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  Where Can One Get Answers To Questions From JWs?

  by Cold Steel in

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  2. bible

  there's also a fellow who calls himself the "watchman," but he seems as critical as many of the so-called "apostates.

  " is there a place where one can ask questions from knowledgeable believers or "a" believer?

  i really don't want to take the bible lessons.

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  WELL BEARDS ARE STILL A NO NO!!!!!!

  by DwainBowman in

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  well beards are still a no no!!!!!!.

  in a new letter from the branch/gb nut's, beards are not acceptable in the us branch area!!!!!!.

  my eldub brother in law, shared this today.

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  But if the GB does not receive revelation from God and if the GB members aren't infallible, then it would be like circumcision before Peter received the revelation on it. So what can happen to a brother (or sister) who grows unauthorized facial hair? Will the church leaders withhold baptism from a convert from a neatly trimmed beard?

  What if someone's already a member? Can anyone really believe God would withhold resurrection from someone with a beard?

  Does this mean Watchtowers are going to go back to a Jesus with no beard in its illustrations?

  That reminds me. Do JWs depict Jesus in their skits? If so, does he sport a beard?
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  Where Does It Say JWs Can't Read Pubs By Other Churches?

  by Cold Steel in

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  can jws read publications by other churches?

  or by atheists?

  i've always heard these are apostate materials.

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  The elder who studied with me and took [me] out on my first day of field service said that we were not under any circumstances to accept anyone else's literature.

  How is anyone going to work with someone if they first don't understand how the person thinks and what he thinks? To this day I read anything that's handed to me. (I even watched the bunker videos! Yeeech!) And I still keep the red JW Revelation Climax book with my collection of mythologies and yes, I still read it from time to time. I put most of the stuff in my "so bad it's good" folder.

  I fully understand why they wouldn't want their people reading competing literature, though.

  
  
  
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  Where Does It Say JWs Can't Read Pubs By Other Churches?

  by Cold Steel in

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  can jws read publications by other churches?

  or by atheists?

  i've always heard these are apostate materials.

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  The JWs I've spoken to say they can be neither disciplined or disfellowshiped for reading the religious views of others. Years ago, my grandparents kept a publication of daily sermonettes or devotionals put out by, I think, the Methodists. It wasn't heavy on doctrine at all -- it was just "feel good" stories with morals. Each day my grandfather would read one at breakfast. When his JW family members were there they didn't make a huge secret of not approving of it and would not hesitate to criticize areas in which they disagreed. But what irked them most of all was any reference at all of going to Heaven, a hope of which my grandfather held very strenuously. So even a small reference could turn into a protracted discussion.

  My grandmother, a sweet old soul with a great deal of faith, but not even a smidgen of doctrinal knowledge, wasn't comfortable with the idea of just dying and becoming nothing. It became such an issue with these devotionals that my grandparents had to suspend them during these family visits.
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  Where Does It Say JWs Can't Read Pubs By Other Churches?

  by Cold Steel in

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  can jws read publications by other churches?

  or by atheists?

  i've always heard these are apostate materials.

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  I could understand it if someone in the leadership had said he was inspired or that he'd had a dream or a vision -- something -- but the WTBTS has all of the hallmarks of being a manmade organization all the time it's billing itself as a divinely chosen and established institution. Further, it sees itself as being the Kingdom of God as foretold in Daniel 2. But that kingdom was said to roll forth “without hands” and would “not be left to other men.” Yet everything about the JWs points to being just the opposite.

  The general membership calls it “the truth” and though others say they're “arrogant,” it's a bit more than that. It's more “smug.” They see themselves as having the inside track and they're told not to waste their time on on those who aren't interested in conversion. In fact, if you show resistance, they be downright disagreeable. Many of the Witnesses I've met are nice enough, but the more zealous ones are those that tend to be difficult. And those, I suppose, also are deemed the most righteous. And because they assume they're going to fare better in the afterlife, they also believe they know things not known by members of other faiths. And it's this, I think, that makes them smug. 😏